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you can't have the story of 1984 without

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the destruction of history you need to

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destroy and control history because

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history tells us why things are the way

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they are

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it explains things well why do we use

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money or why do we have a government why

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do we drive cars

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some historian can come on and explain

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to you well here's the history of the

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car here's the history of money here's

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the history of government oh yeah well

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that makes sense i understand why things

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are the way we are and if you just

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manipulate that history you can make

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sure nobody questions anything and says

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because if the history is different than

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the presentation then people might say

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well if we were really advanced in the

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past why are we living this crappy

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reality so the control of history is

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really important in order to make the

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present the way

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um the people running the show want it

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to be

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so if i can uh

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like

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summary so there's some large event

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undetermined large event in the 18 mid

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1800s uh it decimates a population uh

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possibly all over the world uh after

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which this uh world's fair is

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constructed to create a new history that

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which is a foundation for all the young

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people to uh

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remember and attach themselves to so

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they can keep they can go on living with

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this new uh created history for them to

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to then use as their building blocks to

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continue on living and that's what we

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have thus far

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and there are discrepancies

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with what you're finding if you go back

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maybe a thousand years or 500 years

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versus what we're

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what we commonly are taught in school

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today so there is some sort of

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manipulation going on

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is it real like when it comes to this

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fictitious history that's presented at

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these world fairs

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are you seeing like the world fair

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itself is fictitious like how the hell

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can they construct all this stuff

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are we saying that

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that itself is kind of manipulated like

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i guess uh i'm having a tough time wrap

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my head around we have we have

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photographs of these world's fairs and

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the photographs are you know the

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buildings are huge the site is huge we

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have the photographs aren't going to lie

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so we know we had

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we know we had the event so i'm not

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disputing that there

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that the st louis world's fair or the

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san francisco world's fair the buffalo

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world for they happened they were they

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existed

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they were there the buildings were there

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the question becomes twofold is one

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where did the buildings come from

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how did how did they actually get this

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constructed and then two why were they

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really building it what was the real

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reason for wanting to put this amount of

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material manpower

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money because every world's fair this is

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a bizarre thing they all lost money they

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were financed by i guess what you call

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the robber barons of the time right they

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were the they were the billionaires of

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their era they're the ones who funded

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them and they all lost money the first

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first big one in in the us was in

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philadelphia in 1876 and it lost like

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four million dollars which is a massive

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amount of money now one thing about rich

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people one of the reasons they get rich

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and stay rich is because they don't lose

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money they don't get into ventures where

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they lose money but these events no

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let's we're losing tons of money let's

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keep doing them

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so it's another thing right away that's

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telling you then

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the money means nothing

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so if we get to the buildings okay so

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the buildings became

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when i was still in the early stage joe

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was asking about how i researched this

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and and how i would start doing this

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i've been studying this for about a

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month and i was kind of like

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well i i don't really know i mean i

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i've built like you know a fence i don't

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know about building a building right so

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i went to see some building contractors

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that i that i know people who build

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large construction projects every day of

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their life

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and i took them photos of the chicago

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exposition and they were like what the

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hell is this

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and i explained to them well you know

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this is the chicago exhibition of 1893

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and he's just looking at the photographs

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and i said uh could you build this for

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me today

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it's the whole thing yeah you've got

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unlimited budget unlimited manpower

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could you build this for me today you'll

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see i like course i can build this for

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you how long will take it

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he says well it's going to take me two

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years for the planning because i mean

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you've got really detailed problems just

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with the layout you've got all of this

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water works lagoons lakes

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they were built on a swamp so you had to

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handle things with the swampy said i

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need two years of the planning then i

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need two years for all this landscaping

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to get the to get the surface area the

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way we we need it to be in the water

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situation correct then give me depending

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on the on the materials and the guy give

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me 10 to 12 years and i can get the

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buildings up for you

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and so i said about 15 to 16 years with

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modern machines yeah give give or take

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so i reminded about this this is

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supposed to have taken two years total

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from the time they first had the first

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planning meeting to the time they had

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the thing running in chicago when they

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because it's minus you know 300 degrees

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and his his only response was it's not

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possible

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so so at this point either they did the

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impossible

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right you've got you've got two

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okay you've got like 20 possibilities if

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you if you if you begin to say they

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couldn't they couldn't have built this

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real you know in two years in in this

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time frame with the with the

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with what they have now the the reason

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they have done this in two years because

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they built with a a building material

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known as staff right which is a plaster

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and wood

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overlay that they built really cheap

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crappy buildings that's the that's and

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i'm sure they did i'm sure they built a

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lot of buildings like that but if you

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look at the buffalo electric tower which

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is 325 feet high

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and had number of elevators in the

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interior that would take people to the

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top to look out over the buffalo

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exposition are you going to build that

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out of wood and paper

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you know like and you just see so many

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of the buildings you could go to the top

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of them and have walkways and sit on the

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top and

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you can't build these structures the way

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they've been told so

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that means the historical record of how

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they're being built is wrong so it opens

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up the doorway well there has to be some

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other explanation then i would imagine

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also buffalo and chicago uh by the lake

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so you get the lake effect and which i

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mean they're both very windy places and

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if you have like a plaster and wood

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structure 300 feet in the air that

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thing's gonna tip over like balls

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and then there's the other factor that

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from what i and i'd be curious to hear

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your take on this but the devil in the

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white city from what i remember reading

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in that book was the uh

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the the world's fair was it actually

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became instrumental in helping solve the

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problem of working vertically in a in

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the structural sense but as you're

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describing is that the world's fair was

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kind of doing this like it was no big

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deal but i wonder if you have any

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thoughts on that

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the challenge again becomes like okay

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you've got two possible answers for this

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either one they really did build this in

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two years

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okay if that's true then it means they

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had to have a technology they're not

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supposed to have because you you can't

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build you can't build these with the

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the the the

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the um equipment that you're supposed to

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have on hand in that time frame it's

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that it's impossible i know lots of

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people will watch the show oh old world

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craftsmanship and people took more care

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in what they did and they were better

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builders in those days

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yeah but you need to be if you be on a

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building site for years and years and

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get that person's perspective on how how

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you build 40 massive structures in two

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years plus everything else so the other

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option then becomes okay if they didn't

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build it in two years it either means a

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they built it over 50 years or 100 years

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and the historical record is wrong um or

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maybe they didn't build much of it at

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all maybe the buildings were there

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already and they just needed to be

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cleaned up repainted

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because that's what that's one of the

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things these fairs all did is they

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painted the structures

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very carefully

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uh and if you get an old structure and a

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brand new one painted exactly the same

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you're gonna have a really hard time

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telling which one is which

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and i'm i mean i'm leaning to that

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theory but there's

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there's lots of them i mean like you can

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go you go pretty wild like they build

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them they built them in a parallel

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reality and then manipulated them into

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this reality uh they had 3d printing

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technology because if you if you if you

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could you could 3d print pieces of the

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wall then you could put the things up

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pretty quickly if you were 3d printing

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it right on site uh you know there's

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there's 50 theories i've just managed to

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i think with the book been able to tear

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apart the standard narrative to be able

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to say the standard narrative is 99

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probably wrong

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but i don't have a time machine

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i don't have i didn't go back in time

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and film it and be able to know what did

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happen so i can't give an answer and

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anyone who tries to say the they have

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the answer and they know for sure

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they're not being honest with you the

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honest answer is what we can do with any

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historical event whether it's how the

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how the pyramids are supposed to be

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built or what's going on at stonehenge

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or what's happening in peru or any of

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these buildings is that this is what

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history presents to us this is the story

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does the story logically hold up can you

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can you in a sense scientifically and

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really well dig dig through that story

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and prove it's true most of the time you

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can't so then okay we can tear out the

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narrative we can we can tear out the

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standard story but we're left with this

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void of but we don't really know

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what's there we can only get little

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pieces little little pieces and we just

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hope that enough people get enough

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pieces if you put it together you might

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figure it out

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also very interesting like during this

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time period you have in the early 1900s

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the the building of coral castle down in

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southern florida

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and 1950s is that 1950s

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after the war it is quoted that this guy

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said i've discovered the secrets of the

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pyramids and found out how the egyptians

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and the ancient builders in peru managed

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to do everything they did and he was

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moving tons of rocks around for coral

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castle they still don't know exactly

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what he did no coral castle edwin lead

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scalin right really interesting guy if

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no one's ever bumped into him and yeah

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he built this

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little personal park out of massive

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stones

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and there's really weird stories from

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of people who knew him or who were

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around him or the stone would show up on

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a truck and then he'd send the guy for

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coffee and then the stone would be up on

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his in his land somewhere and the guy

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said how the hell did you do this you

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know

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but what's more weird that most people

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don't know is he wrote a couple of books

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and the books

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they're for free on the internet you can

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actually just go read them on the

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internet they are the weirdest books

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imaginable and at first i was reading

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them and it's like

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it was like giving you how to make your

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coffee and you know what what kind of

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chairs are good to sit on and you know

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if you the why one direction is better

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than another it was and i started

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realizing it's code he's writing in code

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he's writing like some sort of weird

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symbolic

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and as you started breaking some of the

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code you began to see that he's telling

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you what he did in these books even

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though it looks like

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uh this in this remark i i figured this

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out because i had a

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conversation like this with the zen

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zen monk that i spent um a year with

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from korea

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and one day he came out of his room he

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usually never talked to us but he sat

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down with me at the table and he started

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telling me some stories

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uh stories about like chinese food and

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this uh

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women in france and uh changing tires on

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a car and some guy's hip that he knew

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and then he got up and he left the table

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and went back to his room

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and the guy was sitting was beside me

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did you get all that like what do you

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mean he just told you your entire life

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story he told you everything about you i

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and i realized what he's not telling you

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about

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you

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and i think lead scaling was doing

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something similar he was presenting it

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all in these books of what he did

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but so

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so symbolically and so hidden that the

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average person would just like just

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totally miss it they would just think

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this is garbage

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and

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people dig into that especially if

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you're in florida go check it out

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i think that's super interesting and i

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one of the things that i i was

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interested in asking you about

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listening to the the appearance you had

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on sam tripoli's show was the easter

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island thing because

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i don't understand a ton about it but i

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i do from what i've been able to tell is

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again i don't even know if easter island

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exists because i've never been there and

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so this idea of narrative structuring

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and what we know and what we don't know

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it's so super interesting but from what

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i understand these statues it's not

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what's above the ground it's what's

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below the ground which demonstrates the

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size and then how did people even get

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there to begin with and the knowledge of

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seafaring from the polynesians and

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everything this is one of the most

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remote places on earth what do you what

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can you tell us about easter island i

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know that's maybe not that connected to

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the world's fair but

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do you have thoughts on that it's all

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connected to the world's fair in a sense

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because it's all historic it's all

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history and what we believe like you say

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about the about the story and like you

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okay i've never been to easter island

404
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either i've been to a lot of places but

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i've never been to easter island but i'm

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i'm going to assume it's there i'm going

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to assume it exists the pictures seem

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quite quite real quite quite truthful

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and what you've got there first of all

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are three different things to think

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about with easter island the first is

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that the oldest moai the oldest statues

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are like you say are

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are mostly buried in the ground so the

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head you see on top is like two-thirds

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of it is below ground

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um and it's built out of the hardest

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material the hardest stone

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then there's another set of moai that

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obviously come from a much more recent

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period that are shorter

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don't don't go into the ground and are

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built out of a very simple a much much

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softer stone

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so obviously somebody later on was

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mimicking the made the huge moai that

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they had seen before but didn't have the

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knowledge of how to work with that kind

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of stone you see this with ancient with

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ancient egypt so much where you see

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whatever that you see this pre-old

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kingdom egypt what they were doing with

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the stone the old kingdom egypt was

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trying to copy it as best they could and

435
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it's still good but not like the other

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stuff and then the middle and new

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kingdom egypt were again trying to copy

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what was before so you have this copying

439
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first of all in easter island so who who

440
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were the two sets of groups that were

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doing the moai in the first place never

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mind why they're building how are they

443
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doing it then the third thing is this

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what most people don't know too much

445
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about is this thing called the

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rangarongo text or rondarongo language

447
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which is like a written hieroglyphic

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language that appears only in easter

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island

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and there are some texts and as i know

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there's supposedly nobody that can read

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it it's kind of like the voynich

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manuscript right it's like

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it's this ah it's a

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really strange uh

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yeah symbolic language but what has come

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through at least of the of the of the

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legends and the stories there are many

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legends and stories

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passed down through through easter allen

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that's very similar to ancient egyptian

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that when you when you take the um

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and i can't think of the top of my head

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i have to pull out some books but there

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are certain legends uh told on easter

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island about about a bird man and flying

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off

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one of the mountains and jumping into

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the water and it's all it's all the

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story of horus it's it's uh you could

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you if you know the egyptian if you know

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the egyptian mythology you can unravel

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the

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you begin to see this connection it's

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one of the reasons i was i wrote my

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first book way back when power of then

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was this idea that if you can understand

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the ancient symbolism the ancient

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all chemical and presentation then you

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can take apart any ancient site any any

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religious text any fairy tale anything

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where there's wisdom presented in it the

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symbols will never change the symbolic

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language will stay the same once you

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know the symbolic language you can

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unravel what's being presented so it's

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similar to easter island if you get if

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you if you can find and understand

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enough symbols you'll start to get what

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was going on there

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it's incredible when when i was

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listening to uh your talk and i i'm i

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have your books ordered and they're

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coming i'll probably dig through them

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here in the next few weeks um but i was

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curious like when you we touched on like

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the fact that when uh you brought up

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briefly about uh a simulated reality and

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how that might apply to like a topic

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like the mandela effect which is coming

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to prominence over the past 15 years on

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the internet where people remember uh

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nelson mandela dying in the prison then

504
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there's a whole bunch of other people

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like no he's alive there's a discrepancy

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in our memory as a civilization and i'm

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sure as you

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remember things or learn things the

509
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further back you go there's a difference

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of what people remember

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is is the mandela effect applicable to

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what you discovered about the world's

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fair and our history um and the nature

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of reality like how do you view our

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reality and how we remember history okay

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let's just start with i'll ask joe just

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left but i'll ask all three of you let's

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just ask the same question just out of

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curiosity so question one do you believe

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we're in a simulated reality uh yes or

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no do you believe the mandala effect is

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real yes or no let's just see

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the three of you let's see what what

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your answers are so

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uh i will answer i have a i have a

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complex uh justification but the in in

527
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an effort to keep this simple uh

528
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simulated reality yes mandela effect i

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would say probably yes

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so i'm gonna i'm gonna play skeptic and

531
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saying uh no on both of those i think

532
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effect is primarily just people

533
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misremembering or not paying attention

534
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okay joe

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i love the idea of that stuff but i i

536
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tend to think that it's somewhat

537
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nihilistic to think that it's a

538
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simulated reality because to some extent

539
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it's like this is all we've got so it's

540
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the only reality we have but again it's

541
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like i'm only being fed what i see it's

542
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just as like everybody else

543
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and mandela effect what would you be a

544
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fresher knowing that that's a phenomenon

545
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i don't understand because the

546
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berenstain bears one is it caught me

547
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completely off guard so um yeah it's

548
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i i'm just fascinated by that it's it's

549
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it's almost like deja vu it's like it's

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a it's this thing that's like i don't

551
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know what to say because some people it

552
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is like it's genuine the mandela thing

553
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especially

554
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i i think it's just it's it was just

555
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reason i asked that is because you know

556
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the three of you are into alternative

557
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topics and various things so it's just

558
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interesting to see what the

559
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what the responses are and as i expected

560
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you're not nobody's in agreement on

561
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these three topics right it's still a

562
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very

563
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personal matter so

564
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to take mike's question

565
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this goes back 20 years for me when i

566
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first began

567
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:02,640
my egyptian research which then had to

568
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move into

569
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:05,760
really the study of ancient worlds i was

570
00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:07,760
lucky enough like i say to meet this

571
00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:09,520
korean monk i met some native indian

572
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medicine men who let me spend time with

573
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them and

574
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and they they pushed me into a lot of

575
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practice very detailed practice and one

576
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of the key practices was to test reality

577
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you know

578
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it's a i call this a table i call this a

579
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chair i call this the floor

580
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uh how do i know that's what's really

581
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here how am i how am i perceiving the

582
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:32,880
world and how do i know my perception is

583
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:34,240
correct

584
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um so i spent a couple of years which

585
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:39,360
you might call testing reality

586
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,720
and in the course of two years found out

587
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in a very

588
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:47,919
challenging way that reality is not so

589
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:50,400
real it's not solid it's not anything

590
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,360
it's very malleable and in fact it's

591
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it's it's linked to what we think

592
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:57,679
actually the the fact that i think that

593
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i think that there's a reality here

594
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makes it happen

595
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and so

596
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um some people get these experiences

597
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:06,000
through various drugs i guess i mean

598
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i've stayed away from the drug

599
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,320
experience my entire life pretty much

600
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:12,799
i've just stayed away from all of it so

601
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:14,960
all of all of my ways of testing reality

602
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,120
have been straight exercises with the

603
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body and the mind

604
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:20,799
so i already was coming from this

605
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:23,440
perception of like reality is not so

606
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,720
true

607
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,480
uh or it's not it's not as real and

608
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:28,400
solid as i think and i mean we can get

609
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,400
into i can talk about various

610
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:32,400
things that actually happen that that

611
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:34,880
prove that to me but i didn't get an

612
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,039
answer to what reality is i i don't know

613
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:39,440
what reality is or how much

614
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:41,120
how how many i got to see that that

615
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,640
might take might you might call layers

616
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:44,960
of reality that there's there's one we

617
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,600
sort of tend to

618
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:49,360
spend our time on the one that you know

619
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,720
there's a mic there's a james there's a

620
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:52,799
joe there's me we okay we're talking on

621
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:54,480
here we think this is this is the

622
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,840
reality because it's kind of standard

623
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but it's not always here reality can

624
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,520
change pretty quickly and usually when

625
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it does the average person just when

626
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,600
they get a glitch in the matrix they

627
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:07,760
just write it off very quickly oh i was

628
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:08,960
tired i was

629
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this was going on that can't be i was

630
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:12,559
just i was hallucinating i was seeing

631
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,440
but

632
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when you're really aware when you're

633
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,600
truly aware of what's going on you you

634
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,440
don't miss these things so you've got

635
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:21,360
that first layer of okay so reality's

636
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,200
not as real as i i

637
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:25,600
had ever thought it was

638
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:29,360
but when mike asks about a simulation

639
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,760
the simulation idea is much more

640
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,520
and this takes us into the plato's cave

641
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,520
stuff and i'll i'll actually just i'll

642
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,520
i'll let mike and you guys just reframe

643
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:41,440
the question but this it really it'll

644
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:43,120
actually take you into plato's cave and

645
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:45,520
the story of plato's cave and to

646
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and to asking you know

647
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,840
how real not only is reality but how

648
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,120
real is you

649
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,039
that's that's the great spirit so what

650
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,840
was his name gary harmon gary harmon

651
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:57,840
wrote like a one sentence thing that's

652
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one of the greatest things i think ever

653
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,559
written he said if you treat

654
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how did he how did he say it

655
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if you treat reality as an illusion but

656
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don't treat yourself

657
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,919
equally in that illusion you've made the

658
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:13,760
classic spiritual mistake

659
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